The prominent conservative intellectual Jonah Goldberg went out of his way recently to set the record straight: he’s definitely no fan of Ayn Rand. This was prompted by questions he received after an episode of FX’s drama Impeachment depicted his apartment as including a poster of the cover of Atlas Shrugged. What are Goldberg’s reasons? What does his statement reveal about the conservative movement broadly? How does it relate to Whittaker Chambers’s infamous smear of Atlas Shrugged? Onkar Ghate and Elan Journo discuss the philosophic meaning behind Goldberg’s insistent rejection of Rand’s ideas. Recorded November 3, 2021.